Hiring, Firing, and Board Meltdowns

Dr. Henry Cloud is a clinical psychologist, best-selling author, and business consultant with unique insights on relational dynamics in organizations. He is the co-founder and co-director of Cloud-Townsend, Inc.

Carly Fiorina is the former Chairman and CEO of Hewlett-Packard. She was the first woman to head a Dow 30 company and was named “The Most Powerful Woman in Business” by Fortune for six years in a row.

Dr. David Ireland is senior pastor of Christ Church in Montclair, NJ, a 6000 member multi-ethnic congregation which he founded in 1986. The author of several books, he holds a PhD in Organizational Leadership.

Patrick Lencioni is founder and president of The Table Group, Inc., a specialized management-consulting firm focused on organizational health. He is the author of six best-selling books, including Death by Meeting.

On Hiring…

  • You’ve got to connect people to the culture of your church/organization.
  • Cultural fit is so critical in any organization.
  • Churches think it’s enough that people love Jesus, which is critical, but it doesn’t mean they will fit the culture of the church.
  • A lot of decisions about hiring, especially in a great state of need, leads to the idealization that people are exactly what we need, when in actuality they aren’t.
  • First impressions are frequently wrong.
  • What are the 1 or 2 behavioral things that you want people to exemplify?
  • Competency is one thing you have to be absolutely clear about.
  • People can practice for an interview; but observe and see what they are like in real-life interactions.
  • Ask them what people would say about them.
  • Ask the same question three times. (a la “Law & Order)
  • Ask conversational and probing questions, not “yes” and “no” questions.
  • Ask how their weaknesses would impact your organization.
  • Talk less and let them talk more about their answers.
  • Have a clear, strong culture that the people who would fit there would be drawn to it… they will self-select in.
  • Don’t list skills on a job description… but competencies required for it.
  • Take the time to have a substantive conversation about why you’re hiring, what you’re expecting etc… and find out a lot about the person.
  • Get a process that works for you.
  • Don’t hire out of need… endure the pain of not having someone in a position than having the wrong person in the position.

On Boards…

  • For boards to work well, they need their own values and covenant agreement about how they will function.
  • Problem with boards is that they don’t see each other often, so it takes time to build trust.
  • You need a retreat. You have to get clear on the values and behaviors, and build trust.
  • You cannot build a team or a board without vulnerability.
  • Take 10 minutes at the end of every meeting and sit back and say, “How did we do?”
  • Boards are a team of people who meet together to make decisions.
  • It takes work for the team to understand how it works together.
  • If the board isn’t functional, the organization isn’t functional.
  • People should be on boards for three reasons: 1) influence, 2) affluence, 3) unique skill set that works to meet the needs of the organization.
  • You need to have all the ingredients around the table to make what you’re trying to make happen, happen.
  • Boards need to have an immune effect… a team that works to meet the needs as a team.
  • The New Testament teaches that a plurality of godly people will lead an organization well instead of one single person.

On firing…

  • Leaders have to make tough decisions in tough times, including firing.
  • There’s a time and season for everything…
  • “How” do you terminate in a dignified way?
  • People consider it compassion to not be honest with people, but that’s not being compassionate, it’s disrespectful.
  • Be candid. What’s working? What’s not working?
  • Give people a chance to work on what’s not working.
  • A firing should never come as a surprise.
  • If you give them a chance, they’ll either get better or decide it’s not right for them.
  • Do you give enough REGULAR feedback for them to make the right choices?
  • 3 Step Process: 1) Retrain them… 2) Reposition them… 3) Retire them.
  • There should be a sequence of communication.
  • Bill invoked a grading system at Willow… giving people an A, B or C.
  • If you give them a B, be clear how they can become an A.
  • Have a well developed system.
  • The system will not substitute for the conversation.
  • The kindest from of management is the truth. – Jack Welch
  • It helps people to tell them the process up front.
  • Uncertainty is horrifying for people, especially about their jobs.
  • Give more certainty.


Tim Schraeder is passionately committed to helping churches effectively communicate the timeless message of the Gospel in a way that’s relevant to our ever-changing culture. He presently serves as the co-director of the Center for Church Communication and is the creator and general editor of Outspoken: Conversations on Church Communication, a field guide for church communication leaders. Tim lives in Chicago where he can be found in any neighborhood coffee shop that has free wifi. Subscribe via RSS | Subscribe via Email | Twitter | Facebook | Google+ | Sign Up for My Newsletter
  • Phillip Dennis

    Thanks for sharing this practical advice. I'm just wondering, are these your notes from one of the sessions at The Leadership Summit, were these remarks made by one of the panelists, are they from a handout, or something else?